This is for my theistic friend:
"Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms."- Theodosius Dobzhansky
"Well evolution is a theory. It is also a FACT. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape-like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered.
Moreover, "fact" doesn't mean "absolute certainty"; there ain't no such animal in an exciting and complex world. The final proofs of logic and mathematics flow deductively from stated premises and achieve certainty only because they are not about the empirical world. Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do..."
Stephen J. Gould
"It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a FACT, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a FACT that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a FACT that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a FACT that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a FACT that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a FACT that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun. "
R. C. Lewontin
"Today, nearly all biologists acknowledge that evolution is a fact. The term theory is no longer appropriate except when referring to the various models that attempt to explain how life evolves... it is important to understand that the current questions about how life evolves in no way implies any disagreement over the fact of evolution. "
- Neil A. Campbell, Biology 2nd ed., 1990, Benjamin/Cummings, p. 434
"Since Darwin's time, massive additional evidence has accumulated supporting the fact of evolution--that all living organisms present on earth today have arisen from earlier forms in the course of earth's long history. Indeed, all of modern biology is an affirmation of this relatedness of the many species of living things and of their gradual divergence from one another over the course of time. Since the publication of The Origin of Species, the important question, scientifically speaking, about evolution has not been whether it has taken place. That is no longer an issue among the vast majority of modern biologists. Today, the central and still fascinating questions for biologists concern the mechanisms by which evolution occurs."
- Helena Curtis and N. Sue Barnes, Biology 5th ed. 1989, Worth Publishers, p. 972
"A few words need to be said about the "theory of evolution," which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, "theory" often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, "theory" means "a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed." as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved "facthood" as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled "New evidence for evolution;" it simply has not been an issue for a century."
- Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology, 2nd ed., 1986, Sinauer Associates, p. 15
Saturday, May 03, 2008
Fact and Theory
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good one!
Good one? You have quoted evolutionary philosophers who tweak meanings of words. I don't mind saying when you show yourself more knowledgeable than me but I'm not sure this is one of those times. Has the complexity of bacterial flagellum been settled and transitional forms of it been determined? Or do you just assume that evolution is true and believe (much like my belief in God) that all the kinks will be worked out?
"Bacterial flagellum with rotary motor, with the following features:
* Self assembly and repair
* Water-cooled rotary engine
* Proton motive force drive system
* Forward and reverse gears
* Operating speeds of up to 100,000 rpm
* Direction reversing capability within 1/4 of a turn
* Hard-wired signal transduction system with short-term memory"
If we were talking about a truck, we wouldn't even be arguing. Ooops, I forgot that I couldn't use common sense.
You linked to me, I'm tearing up. Now, we're real e-friends.
"You have quoted evolutionary philosophers who tweak meanings of words."
I know that's what you want to believe. But they are scientists, just like the scientists who work on medicines that may keep you and your loved ones alive one day. But I don't see you questioning those.
Don't you understand how the science community works?
Now read this
And this
Bacterial flagellum
Flagellum Evolution
Actually, I do question scientists who make our medicines, but that probably will make me sound weirder so I'll save that for some other time.
Maybe you should capitalize "Scientists" like I capitalize "God." Sorry, I couldn't resist that one.
"Don't you understand how the science community works?"
um, no. 1 + 1 = Bible :)
If you're going to question science from the position of knowledge, then you are part of the science community.
If you're going to question it without understanding it (properly ie: at the same level as other scientists), there's really nothing more for us to discuss.
Sure, anything can be true. "I could be a butterfly dreaming I'm a man". But if you're going to take that as your standpoint then how do we build on that?
You just end up wandering around going "This could be a total fantasy world. Or not. Who knows?" And if that's your philosophy then there's no point sending men to the moon or discovering medicines etc...
It's clear that you would prefer it if a god created this whole thing.
By the way, Intelligent Design people DO accept evolution as a FACT, they are just trying to convince people there is evidence for a designer getting involved along the line somewhere. Creationists on the other hand think a god magicked it into being (complete with dino bones etc?)
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