...and the joke was on the Jews, according to a book called Caesar's Messiah, by Joseph Atwill.
The Romans invented Christianity to help subdue the rebellious Jewish part of their empire. The character of Jesus was based on the emperor Titus. Atwill believes the gospels are poking fun at the Jews, mocking their defeats at the hands of Roman legions. Part of the prank is persuading the Jews to unwittingly worship a Roman emperor as a god.
"The Jews who ended up following the false Messianic literary character 'Jesus' would, unbeknownst to them, really be worshipping the Emperor Titus."
The Romans were a very clever bunch, weren't they? And to think their methods are still being used by modern empires to have a laugh at the expense of their subjects.
You think Emperor Bush is really a Christian? Don't make me laugh.
Thursday, May 11, 2006
Jesus Was A Big Joke...
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As far as I'm concerned, the joke is STILL on the Jews, because they're still waiting for the Messiah,but He's already been here once.
Oh Christ...
Yeah, because you don't want anything interrupting your bliss.
Aren't you a tiny bit worried you might be the victim of a 2000 year old practical joke?
It won't matter. When I die, according to you, I'll just cease to be. SO it won't matter :)
For not believing in God, you love to use His name a lot :P
And for one who doesn't want to know about science, you don't mind reaping the rewards.
It won't matter. When I die, according to you, I'll just cease to be. SO it won't matter :)
It won't matter when you're dead, that's true. What about your life, though?
If I could prove to you Jesus was invented by the Romans as a joke, you be happy to devote your life to him? (he says, using the preacher's trick)
I think their little prank turned out pretty well. 2000 years on, who'd have thought?
I think this is another way God is covering his tracks. He made a cock-up and he has turned around, kicked a rock and is whistling John Lennon's "Imagine".
Leave it out, omni-present one. You are as guilty as sin.
Who said I don't want to know about science? That's a cop out, Simon. Knock it off. I follow science. I agree evolution happens every day. Just because I don't spend every waking moment pursuing science doesn't mean I don't want to know about it. For crying out loud. Quit picking on my attitude. It's not a bad one to have. Sure, I reap the rewards of science. I have just as much right as YOU do to do so.
does god really expect us to believe that he, in his omnipotence, made a rule, then wanted to unmake it, so had to implant himself in a human's womb so she could give birth to him, so he could sacrifice himself to himself to unmake the rule? Why didn't he just snap his fingers and unmake it, if he's omnipotent?
A 2000-year old practical joke is much more plausible, really.
Ok, I heard this a while ago. I just keep waiting for the "BOOM BOOM GOTCHA!!!". Crazy romans don't know when to let something go.
So there I am on break from my new job at the library when I realize I am learning too much and becoming a better person. THe only cure for this is simon's blog, where I go and discover he's recommending a book. So I go into the library database and they not only don't have it, it isn't in the entire state library system!
Now I'm depressed.
P.S.
My new job isn't at the library, my break was.
I cannot find the book either... I am combing my brain for who originally told me about the 2000 yr old roman joke. DAMN IT!!! THINK MAN!!!
3 jews walk into ye olde roman ale house. They walk up the the bar and the centurion bar man says "We don't serve YOUR type in here". So he spears them through the neck and the patrons of the bar frolick in the spurting blood before feasting on their quivvvvvvering raw flesh.
BOOM BOOM
lol
The book is listed at Amazon.
Is that thunder I hear?
interesting post...makes me still rethink religion
I have only been struck by lighning 4 or 5 times... I see no connection....
Although I don't want to be the party pooper and I fully understand the fun atmosphere in which this post and its resulting comments are being made, I can't help feeling a little frustrated by it all. There are so many stereotypes that Christians have of atheists/agnostics and vice versa. My atheist husband and I (a Christian) have been working hard to break down these stereotypes and the chasm of misunderstanding, intolerance and disrespect that seems to often to exist between these two groups. And then you get these kinds of posts and comments!
We were talking the other day about how it seems to us - we may well be wrong - that this kind of attitude and intolerance seems much more prevalent in the US and Europe which have historically been homogenous societys (in terms of being historically dominantly Christian countries ruled under a western culture), than in South Africa, where we have always been confronted by diversity - religious and cultural. This may well be incorrect!
Either way, I think that if we want to encourage religious fundamentalism and the violence that accompanies it then we must keep posting these kinds of posts and keep writing these kinds of comments I'm reading here - keep upsetting each other with disrespectfulness, intolerance, stereotyping, and undermining beliefs which are very, very precious to those that hold them - whatever they may be. I'm all for having a good laugh at myself and others now and then, and not taking myself too seriously, but lets keep our 'funning' in the best possible humour.
I have such deep respect for anyone who has struggled in order to come to certain conclusions regarding their identity and the world around them - whether that struggle has led them towards a particular religious conviction or away from it.
Just some thoughts ... !
Well said, Cori. I find a lot of mudslinging, with no back-up. But hey, it's Simon's blog, so he can say what he wants to.
Sounds like a wolf in sheep’s clothing to me... Ok, lets all be inane and not discuss these things in a forward manner, and try not to offend anybody and never get anywhere... Lets just be friendly and do everything we're told and get walked all over by anyone who feels like it because we're trying to be nice. I respect Dabich, even though our beliefs are obviously quite different. I respect her because she is thinking about it, and talking about it in an intelligent way. Say whatever you want and have an argument and learn something from it. The only thing not to be tolerated is false contentment. We are having a healthy, funny discussion, its not like we are shooting people walking into abortion clinics.... oops there I go again with the stereotypes
LOL at Thomp. Maybe deep inside I like getting into the mud, eh? ;)
"I have only been struck by lighning 4 or 5 times... I see no connection..."
Did it hurt????
Trouble is the jews now run the banks, auditors, big businessesthe newspapers, the media in general and of course produce,direct and star in all the films. Their only true god is money. Say this and your accused of being anti semetic.
gentleman-hobbs... lol... I assume you're being ironic. If not, you're a fucking Nazi.
Cori, with all due respect, your religion is a pot of shite. Is does not deserve to be taken seriously because it is hillarious in it's absurdity. I can't stand the way we all have to dance round the religious freaks because of their insane beliefs.
If you want to believe you're going to get 72 virgins when you get to heaven or that you're going to be one, or that we're all sinners from the moment we plop out of our mother's womb, feel free.
But, for fucks sake, don't expect me to take it seriously, love.
I mean, please, you're off your fucking nut. And that's putting it politely.
What's a fucking nut? ;)
I can't remember. I lost mine years ago.
aaah....to THAT's your problem
;)
err so*
My problem is I can't type!
What a load of rubbish, is this post trying to mark the Permiere of “The Da Vinci Code” or something?... For once (in world history) the Catholic Church has got something right… “Sure you can watch the movie, but just remember it’s a work of fiction”…
However, I have a better joke for you and, what's more, I made it up myself. Here it is... "If, as reported, '4 out of 10 police officers in the UK have been threatened by a member of the public'... Why don't they arrest him? He's obviously dangerous!"
Simon, please remember that I am a Christian and a scientist, for example, visit:
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/letters
Finally, before you come out with another load of puerile expletives - you seem to be more prone to explosions than a Javanese volcano - accusing all Christians of being gullible and asceintific, please read the rest of my website, at: http://www.geosus.org.uk.com
I agree with you; being a self-publicist is great fun!
Where does all this leave St Paul? Who was he writing about; if not an historical Jesus? "Answer me that one, Atwill!".
Who was he writing about; if not an historical Jesus?
Who was Tolkien talking about if not an historical Bilbo?
Who was Barrie talking about if not an historical Peter Pan?
Who was Dahl talking about if not an historical Big Friendly Giant?
Besides, I don't trust anyone who's is only known by their first name. It makes it incredibly difficult to look them up in the phonebook.
Honestly, Martin, is this really the best you can do?
“Sure you can watch the movie, but just remember it’s a work of fiction."
Haven't you noticed the irony in that statement, Martin?
Yet more evidence Rome is having a laugh at your expense.
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